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02/24/2021 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:32:29 PM Overview: Department of Law-federal Issues and Conflicts
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Presentation of Department of Law-Federal Issues
and Conflicts by:
- Cori Mills, DOL CIV-Deputy Attorney General
- Jessie Alloway, DOL CIV - Assistant Attorney
General
- Mary Gramling, DOL CIV - Attorney for Natural
Resources
- Ron Opsahl, DOL CIV - Attorney for Natural
Resources
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 24, 2021                                                                                        
                           3:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Joshua Revak, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Peter Micciche, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT OF LAW-FEDERAL ISSUES AND CONFLICTS                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CORI MILLS, Deputy Attorney General                                                                                             
Civil Division                                                                                                                  
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview of federal litigation                                                                
issues and conflicts.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JESSIE ALLOWAY, Assistant Attorney General                                                                                      
Opinions, Appeals, and Ethics Section                                                                                           
Civil Division                                                                                                                  
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Participated in the overview of federal                                                                   
litigation issues and conflicts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MARY HUNTER GRAMLING, Assistant Attorney General                                                                                
Oil and Gas Section                                                                                                             
Civil Division                                                                                                                  
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Participated  in the  overview  of  federal                                                             
litigation issues and conflicts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
RON OPSAHL, Assistant Attorney General                                                                                          
Natural Resources Section                                                                                                       
Civil Division                                                                                                                  
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Participated  in the  overview  of  federal                                                             
litigation issues and conflicts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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3:31:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  JOSHUA   REVAK  called   the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:31  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were Senators  Kiehl, Kawasaki,  Stevens,  von Imhof,  and                                                               
Chair Revak.  Senator Micciche arrived  during the course  of the                                                               
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: Department of Law-Federal Issues and Conflicts                                                                       
    OVERVIEW: Department of Law-Federal Issues and Conflicts                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:32:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK announced  the committee would hear  an overview from                                                               
the Department  of Law (DOL)  regarding a list of  federal issues                                                               
and conflicts  pertaining to navigable waterways,  access to land                                                               
and lands, Clean Air Act, water, mining, and oil and gas.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:33:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CORI MILLS,  Deputy Attorney General, Civil  Division, Department                                                               
of Law, Juneau, Alaska, said she  will highlight some of the good                                                               
work DOL is doing on statehood defense and revenue projection.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She noted the  DOL list provided to  committee members represents                                                               
35-federal-issue  cases  that  are currently  active.  The  cases                                                               
include state  alignment with  the federal  government or  not in                                                               
alignment with  the federal government. Attorneys  within DOL are                                                               
handling all  the noted  casesthe  cases  do not  involve outside                                                               
counsel.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLS  said to  put the  35 cases  into context,  the Natural                                                               
Resources Section within DOL  worked on approximately 700-active-                                                               
legal  matters   during  FY2020.   Although  the  35   cases  are                                                               
important, they  are a  small fraction of  what the  section does                                                               
within the department.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLS  stated DOL  refers  to  the  35 cases  as  "statehood                                                               
defense" because  they are  helping to  defend what  the [federal                                                               
government] promised Alaska at statehoodthe   right to manage its                                                               
resources based on the sustained  yield principle to become self-                                                               
sufficient,  rights  embodied  in  Article  XIII  of  the  Alaska                                                               
Constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:36:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  MILLS explained  that defending  [the 35  cases] has  2 main                                                               
purposes.  The  first   purpose  is  to  ensure   the  state  can                                                               
responsibly and  sustainably develop  its resources  that results                                                               
in  the  money  the   legislature  appropriates  for  government                                                                
includes  money to  the  general fund,  permanent  fund, and  the                                                               
constitutional budget reserve. The  second purpose is the ability                                                               
for the  state to  manage its  resources for  the benefit  of all                                                               
Alaskansreferenced in Article XIII of the Alaska Constitution.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She  said  DOL  anticipates  based on  the  recent  policies  and                                                               
executive orders  that have  come out  of the  federal government                                                               
that the  workload in  the [statehood defense]  area is  going to                                                               
increase. DOL  anticipates having more  cases that are  averse to                                                               
Alaska  in   determining  how  to  best   represent  the  state's                                                               
interests. DOL will need to  advise on the legal ramifications of                                                               
the [federal  government's] actions, resolution options  short of                                                               
litigationthe   department's  goalbut   ultimately  to  instigate                                                               
lawsuits if necessary.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLS detailed there have  been several executive orders, the                                                               
one  talked  about  the  most  is  the  [30x30  executive  order]                                                               
(30x30).   The  initiative   calls   for   federal  agencies   to                                                               
essentially lockup  30 percent of  the land in the  United States                                                               
and 30  percent of  the United  States' oceans  by 2030.  For the                                                               
initiative  to get  to its  30-percent-land  number, the  federal                                                               
government will  need to  lockup more than  440 million  acres on                                                               
top of what  is already in conservation  statusroughly  twice the                                                               
size of Texas.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She pointed out 30x30 applies  to the entire nation. However, DOL                                                               
does not  know what the  initiative potentially means  to Alaska.                                                               
DOL said  the state  could potentially  see the  federal agencies                                                               
using  their land  management plans  to create  more restrictions                                                               
and essentially  turn land  into conservation  use onlysomething                                                                
seen in the  past that could happen again. The  state could see a                                                               
reversal  of things  like the  Roadless Rule  exemptionthe  state                                                               
has finally  achieved getting  an exemption  and is  currently in                                                               
litigation.  The state  has been  in alignment  with the  federal                                                               
government  on  the Roadless  Rule,  but  the federal  government                                                               
could reverse that decision.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLS said  the state  has also  seen in  the past  that the                                                               
federal  government  does  not  want   to  work  with  Alaska  on                                                               
submerged  land,  navigable  waterways,  [Revised  Statute]  (RS)                                                               
2477s,  as well  as  the state's  land  selections; instead,  the                                                               
state must litigate  at ever inch to get those  lands that belong                                                               
to the state.  Other avenuesif  the federal  government were open                                                               
to itwould  be getting a  Recordable Disclaimer of Interest (RDI)                                                               
from  the federal  government, but  that depends  on how  willing                                                               
they are to work with the state.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  noted other  areas  of increased  activity  [by the  federal                                                               
government]  includes  placing  more  species on  the  ESA  list,                                                               
establishing huge areas of critical  habitat, and tightening down                                                               
on the  stringent mitigation measures  that possibly is  hard for                                                               
anyone  to   meetbased   on  50-to-100-year   projections  versus                                                               
current or  near-future circumstances. Alaska has  already seen a                                                               
halting  of oil  and  gas  leasing on  federal  lands which  also                                                               
impacts  the state  and its  revenues.  The case  list could  get                                                               
longer should DOL come before the committee next year.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:40:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  MILLS explained  she wanted  to  build on  why the  [federal                                                               
issue] cases  are important because there  sometimes are feelings                                                               
that the  state seems  to lose  more than  it wins.  The federal-                                                               
issue  cases  can be  hard  cases,  but  they are  important  and                                                               
building  successes  and picking  your  cases  is important.  The                                                               
committee will  see a  lot of  successes as  DOL talks  about the                                                               
federal-issue cases.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She said  she will start  by giving  the example of  the Sturgeon                                                               
casewhich  everyone in  the state is familiar  with. Mr. Sturgeon                                                               
had a  hard fight with  the federal  government on his  case. The                                                               
U.S. Supreme  Court's decision  was a huge  win for  Mr. Sturgeon                                                               
and others,  allowing them to  continue to usein   Mr. Sturgeon's                                                               
case, his hovercraft on the  Nation Riverand  for the Alaskans to                                                               
use that river.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLS noted  the Sturgeon case was also a  big win for Alaska                                                               
and its citizens  and that is why the state  was also so involved                                                               
in  that  case and  worked  so  closely  with Mr.  Sturgeon.  The                                                               
Sturgeon  case  clarified  who   has  management  authority  over                                                               
navigable  waterways within  federally owned  Conservation System                                                               
Units  (CSUs). Generally,  CSUs are  units of  the National  Park                                                               
System, the Refuge  System, or [Wild and  Scenic River Corridors]                                                               
created by the [Alaska National  Interest Lands Conservation Act]                                                               
(ANILCA). Many CSUs encompass state-owned land, including state-                                                                
owned  submerged lands  that the  state received  as part  of its                                                               
statehood  settlementthis    goes  back   to  what   the  federal                                                               
government promised Alaska at statehood.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:42:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  MILLS said  the Sturgeon  decision is  important because  it                                                               
verified that  Alaska is  the exception  and not  the ruleAlaska                                                                
now  has  U.S. Supreme  Court  precedent  recognition for  future                                                               
casesand   the decision  made clear  that the  federal government                                                               
cannot manage state-owned navigable waterways within the ANILCA-                                                                
created  National   Parks  or   Refuge  Systems.   The  navigable                                                               
waterways are separate and belong to the state for management.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She explained  the Sturgeon decision  goes way beyond  the Nation                                                               
River. The U.S.  Supreme Court decision applies  to any navigable                                                               
water  owned by  the state  that is  within a  CSU. The  decision                                                               
allows the state  to take a more active role  managing the use of                                                               
its navigable waterways.  The state can build on  that success by                                                               
reaching out to the federal  governmentwhich  the state has done                                                                
to  try and  reach agreements  to determine  which waterways  are                                                               
navigable. If the state fails  in determining navigable waterways                                                               
via  federal agreements,  then the  state might  have to  turn to                                                               
litigationan area where the state has had success as well.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLS  said taking the time  on the Sturgeon case  as well as                                                               
some of the other caseswhich committee members will hear about                                                                  
can ultimately  build on  the Sturgeon case  success and  build a                                                               
path forward  with reduced  difficulty for  establishing [state's                                                               
rights for its navigable waterways.]                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She detailed costs associated with  the Sturgeon case, noting Mr.                                                               
Sturgeon had $1  million in attorney's fees.  The stateusing  the                                                               
state's billing ratespent  about  $720,000 in attorney's fees and                                                               
using  an outside  firm  would  have cost  $1.1  million to  $1.4                                                               
million.   U.S.   Supreme   Court  cases   can   be   significant                                                               
investments, but ultimately really pay dividends in the end.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:44:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS referenced  her discussion of 30x30  and that the                                                               
initiative locks up 30 percent of  the land and 30 percent of the                                                               
oceans. He noted  not hearing her mention  30x30 litigation going                                                               
onassuming   she  means navigable  waters  when  she talks  about                                                               
oceans.  He said  his concern  has to  do with  fisheries and  he                                                               
wonders if  the 440 million acres  she mentioned is just  land or                                                               
land and oceans.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLS replied  that is an important point. The  state saw the                                                               
ban of offshore  drilling, for example, and how  that affects the                                                               
fisheries  is  an interesting  question  that  DOL will  need  to                                                               
watch.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She  said  she  did  not  focus on  oceans  because  the  federal                                                               
government has already locked up a  lot of ocean, so to reach the                                                               
30 percent  they do  not have to  lock up as  much more  ocean as                                                               
they did lands. Nevertheless, it                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
is an  important area  because Alaska has  the most  coastline in                                                               
the United  States. Not  only does Alaska  have the  most federal                                                               
land, but  also the most coastline.  DOL will watch that  as well                                                               
but to get  to the goal was  not quite as difficult as  to get to                                                               
the 440 million acres.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked if the  federal government could take ocean                                                               
territory within the three-mile limit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLS said  she did not believe the  federal government would                                                               
take  state  waters,  but  it   is  talking  about  working  with                                                               
communities and working  within states to lock  things up through                                                               
other means.  However, Alaska is not  going to give up  its state                                                               
waters.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:47:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  stated he appreciated her  comments, and [30x30]                                                               
is an important issue to know what the threats are.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR VON  IMHOF noted her  opening remarks were  very poignant                                                               
where  she said  states  generally need  to be  able  to pay  for                                                               
themselves. When  Alaska statehood occurred  in 1959, one  of the                                                               
big  hurdles  was Alaska's  ability  to  responsibly develop  its                                                               
resources  to  be  an ongoing  concern  without  federal  subsidy                                                               
dependencyhistorically,  this was a huge  argument by Congress to                                                               
make sure  Alaska could  pay for itself.  The Swanson  River [oil                                                               
field] on the Kenai Peninsula  was the first indicator that there                                                               
was oil and there was resource extraction.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She  asked  her what  the  state's  recourse  is if  the  federal                                                               
government does  not allow states  to develop their  resources to                                                               
finance their  operations and  if 30x30  goes against  the Alaska                                                               
Constitution  when Congress  voted for  Alaska to  be a  state in                                                               
1959.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLS replied the state has  great dicta in the Sturgeon case                                                               
and will utilize that to the best  of its ability to show the "no                                                               
more"  clauses.  Alaska did  receive  promises  from the  federal                                                               
government and the state needs them.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She  said the  federal  government actually  working with  Alaska                                                               
would be great, but if not, at  least the state has good case law                                                               
from  the U.S.  Supreme  Court saying  Alaska  is different.  The                                                               
federal government should treat  Alaska differently and those are                                                               
things DOL will cite in every brief.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:50:36 PM                                                                                                                    
JESSIE  ALLOWAY, Assistant  Attorney General,  Opinions, Appeals,                                                               
and   Ethics  Section,   Civil  Division,   Department  of   Law,                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska,   stated  she  would  build   on  Ms.  Mills'                                                               
discussion  of  the Sturgeon  case  and  start by  talking  about                                                               
navigability and R.S. 2477.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She  explained,  in general,  the  state  received all  submerged                                                               
lands under tidally influenced  or navigable-in-fact waterways at                                                               
the time  of statehood. Again,  it is part of  Alaska's statehood                                                               
entitlement.  The [navigability]  cases were  important prior  to                                                               
the  Sturgeon case,  but the  Sturgeon case  made them  even more                                                               
important because  the [decision]  ties into the  state's ability                                                               
to manage the  [submerged lands] to the extent  they exist within                                                               
CSUs designated by ANILCA.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLOWAY detailed  when  the  state has  a  dispute over  the                                                               
ownership of submerged lands, the  dispute typically comes in two                                                               
forms. One, the state could  argue about whether the waterway was                                                               
navigable-in-fact  at  the  time  of statehoodthe   gist  of  the                                                               
federal test  is whether  a boat  can float  to the  extent using                                                               
that waterway  as a highway  of commerce.  Two, was there  a pre-                                                               
statehood  conveyance or  withdrawal  that  defeated the  state's                                                               
interests.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She noted  prior to statehood  the federal government  could have                                                               
taken action to  withdraw the federal submerged  lands for itself                                                               
or  it  could have  conveyed  that  land  away, but  the  federal                                                               
government had to take specific action  to do that. Over the last                                                               
10 years or  so, DOL had good success in  challenging the federal                                                               
government's  position  on  of   those  issues  and  further  DOL                                                               
testimony will address building  on the challenge successes going                                                               
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:52:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. ALLOWAY said regarding  the navigability-in-fact dispute, the                                                               
state brought  a lawsuit  to quiet title  to the  submerged lands                                                               
under the  Mosquito Fork of  the Fortymile RiverDOL   brought the                                                               
lawsuit when she first joined  the department in 2012. DOL worked                                                               
with the  Department of Resources  (DNR), the department  got the                                                               
litigation ready  and was  about two weeks  away from  trial when                                                               
the federal government decided to disclaim its interest.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She explained the  problem in the [Mosquito  Fork] litigation and                                                               
the problem  the state has had  all along in trying  to deal with                                                               
the federal government  on the issue is  the department's feeling                                                               
that the  federal government is  bringing frivolous  arguments to                                                               
try  to defeat  the  state's interests  by  trying to  relitigate                                                               
arguments  that the  U.S.  Supreme  Court or  the  U.S. Court  of                                                               
Appeals  for  the  Ninth  Circuit  (The  Ninth  Circuit)  already                                                               
resolved in the state's favor.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLOWAY detailed after the  federal government disclaimed its                                                               
interest, the state brought a  motion for attorney's feesarguing                                                                
the  federal government  had taken  frivolous positions  to route                                                               
that lawsuit  and that  they had  acted in  bad faith.  The Ninth                                                               
Circuit agreed with the state and said:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The United  States' position  that recreational  use in                                                                    
     not relevant,  or the United States'  position that you                                                                    
     had  to  have a  wooden  watercraft  that carried  two-                                                                    
     thousand pounds.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLOWAY  said those  were frivolous  arguments and  the Ninth                                                               
Circuit awarded the  state attorney's fee in  the [Mosquito Fork]                                                               
litigation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She mentioned  litigation costs and reported  that, using outside                                                               
rates, the state spent about $1  million to get the Mosquito Fork                                                               
case  ready for  trial. The  Ninth Circuit  Judge Sharon  Gleason                                                               
awarded the state $600,000 in attorney's fees.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLOWAY said that in the  years after the Mosquito Fork case,                                                               
the state  was able to get  the federal government to  change its                                                               
position on  the Delta River,  the Kisaralik River, and  the West                                                               
Fork  of  the Dennison  Fork.  Except  for the  Kisaralik,  those                                                               
rivers all  go through Wild  and Scenic River Corridors  and they                                                               
are important  for the  argument that Ms.  Mills talked  about on                                                               
the  Sturgeon  case.  She  said   she  believes  those  were  all                                                               
successes  triggered by  what DOL  accomplished  in the  Mosquito                                                               
Fork litigation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLOWAY acknowledged  that  in recent  years  there is  more                                                               
tension with  the federal government  on other issues.  The state                                                               
asked  the federal  government to  change its  mind on  the North                                                               
Fork of the Fortymile River and  the Middle Fork of the Fortymile                                                               
River that go  through [Bureau of Land  Management] (BLM) managed                                                               
Wild and Scenic River Corridors.  The federal government declined                                                               
and that  is one of  litigations that committee members  will see                                                               
on the DOL  list. DOL is in the early  stages with expert reports                                                               
due and she anticipates a trial within the next year or so.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:55:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. ALLOWAY  said the second  issue is  pre-statehood withdrawal.                                                               
After the  Mosquito Fork litigation  ended, DOL  filed litigation                                                               
on  the  Stikine River.  The  federal  government recognized  the                                                               
Stikine River as  navigable, but their position  was the creation                                                               
of the  Tongass National Forest  prior to statehood  withdrew all                                                               
the submerged lands  within the boundaries of the  Tongass to the                                                               
federal  government. The  state  disagreed and  filed a  lawsuit.                                                               
Again, the federal governmentbefore   the court could resolve the                                                               
issuechanged   its  mind  and  disclaimed  its  interest  in  the                                                               
Stikine River.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She noted the  statewanting  to build off its success  to get the                                                               
federal  government to  recognize  the  [Stikine River]  decision                                                               
applies  to  all waters  within  the  Tongassfiled  a  Recordable                                                               
Disclaimer of Interest (RDI) for  the Taku River near Juneau. The                                                               
RDI program is a way for  the state to get the federal government                                                               
to  recognize  the  state's  ownership  without  having  to  file                                                               
litigationthe    process    is   administrative.    The   federal                                                               
governmentfollowing   what   it  did  in  the   Stikine  casedid                                                                
disclaim its interest in the Taku River.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLOWAY  said DOL has  made progress on the  [submerged lands                                                               
and pre-statehood] cases  and continues to do  so. The department                                                               
hopesworking  with  DNR and strategically choosing  the riversto                                                                
litigate and continue  building the precedent to  get the federal                                                               
government  to change  its position  on  other rivers  throughout                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She noted  both in navigability  and R.S. 2477 cases,  DOL cannot                                                               
do  its job  without the  help of  DNR; these  cases require  the                                                               
assistance of DNR  to float the rivers, engage  in fieldwork, and                                                               
building   technology  that   allows   DOL  to   make  a   better                                                               
presentation to  the court. DNR  has done great work  with drones                                                               
to  get  new videos  and  [geographic  information system]  (GIS)                                                               
work.  DOL  also  seeks  outside  hydrology,  geomorphology,  and                                                               
history  experts   to  create  a  teamwith    DNRto   pursue  the                                                               
[navigability and R.S. 2477] cases.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:58:31 PM                                                                                                                    
She explained  that R.S.  2477 cases  are important  because that                                                               
was one  of the ways that  the public or the  state could reserve                                                               
rights  of way  over federal  public land  prior to  that statute                                                               
withdrawal.  She noted  she calls  R.S. 2477  cases the  "Chicken                                                               
Litigation" where  the state  is seeking  quiet title  to several                                                               
R.S.  2477s  near Chicken,  Alaska;  these  R.S. 2477s  start  in                                                               
Chicken and end up going  through Wild and Scenic River Corridors                                                               
that  are managed  by BLM  and provide  access to  hunting, state                                                               
submerged lands, and mining claims.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She said the R.S. 2477 litigation  has been going on for a number                                                               
of years,  but issues  unrelated to  the federal  government have                                                               
hung up the litigation, and those  issues are resolved. DOL is in                                                               
discovery, similar  to the navigability case,  and the department                                                               
anticipates going to trial in 2022.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:00:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY  HUNTER GRAMLING,  Assistant Attorney  General, Oil  and Gas                                                               
Section, Civil Division, Department  of Law, Juneau, Alaska, said                                                               
she  would speak  about  Roadless Rule  matters  and the  state's                                                               
involvement in the Izembek Road between King Cove and Cold Bay.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUNTER  GRAMLING noted  before she goes  into the  details of                                                               
the Roadless Rule cases, she  referenced her colleague's previous                                                               
testimony  on the  two decisions  in the  Sturgeon case  as being                                                               
important to the state's efforts  in Roadless Rule litigation and                                                               
in the  Izembek matter.  The Sturgeon  decisions have  good dicta                                                               
that says Alaska  is different, and there is a  lot of background                                                               
and  analysis  of  what  the  U.S. Supreme  Court  did  in  those                                                               
decisions  about the  purposes of  ANILCA and  that it  really is                                                               
about the  balance of national  conservation interests,  but also                                                               
the economic and socio-economic  opportunities for Alaska and its                                                               
residents.  The   Sturgeon  case  arguments  are   important  and                                                               
something the  state is trying to  build off of in  Roadless Rule                                                               
litigation as well as the Izembek Road case.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She said  a second general  trend that DOL  is seeing is  that in                                                               
the land  management plans, and  to a certain extent  the Izembek                                                               
Road, the  federal government is  trying to manage lands  in ways                                                               
to get around  ANILCA. There are arguments on  the application of                                                               
the Roadless Rule  and the treatment of certain areas  as if they                                                               
are  CSUs.  When   DOL  sees  those  land   management  plans  or                                                               
regulations,  that  is when  the  state  does take  a  particular                                                               
interest in ANILCA's "no more" clause issues.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUNTER  GRAMLING added that  the third kind of  general trend                                                               
the  department is  seeing  in the  [Roadless  Rule and  Izembek]                                                               
cases are that the state's  alignment with the federal government                                                               
really does change by  presidential administrations. However, DOL                                                               
does not  see hardly  any change  via Alaska's  executive branch.                                                               
For   example,  there   have  been   Democratic  and   Republican                                                               
governors, but the  department's position has been  the same that                                                               
the Roadless Rule should not  apply in Alaskaparticularly  in the                                                               
Tongass. The state has also  been very consistent in its position                                                               
that there  really needs to be  a road and reasonable  access for                                                               
King Cove, especially for medical help in emergencies.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She said the fourth general trend  in the noted cases is that the                                                               
statewhether   with  a  plaintiff or  defendingtypically   aligns                                                               
with  groups for  intervention help  or  close coordination.  For                                                               
example, in  the Roadless  Rule litigation  the state  works with                                                               
other   aligned   interveners   that  represent   a   number   of                                                               
municipalities  in Southeast,  Southeast Alaska  power companies,                                                               
chambers  of commerce,  and Alaska  mining  associations. In  the                                                               
Izembek  litigation, the  state  is frequently  aligned with  the                                                               
King Cove Corporation and the municipalities in that area.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:04:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HUNTER GRAMLING  said her first case overview  is the state's                                                               
challenge  to  the  2001 Roadless  Rulea   nationwide  rule  that                                                               
applies, until recently,  to 15 million acres  of National Forest                                                               
land  in Alaska.  The federal  government  recently exempted  the                                                               
Tongass National  Forest from  the Roadless  Rule, but  the state                                                               
still  has its  Roadless Rule  litigation in  the [United  States                                                               
Court  of  Appeals for  the  District  of Columbia  Circuit]  (DC                                                               
Circuit Court) regarding the underlying 2001 Roadless Rule.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She detailed the  state completed its briefing two  years ago for                                                               
the 2001  Roadless Rule  case. However,  the state  requested the                                                               
court to stay the casewhich   the court grantedbecause  the state                                                               
requested an  exemption for the  Tongass. Parties  recently filed                                                               
their positions  about what  should happen in  the future  of the                                                               
case. The  state's position is  that the DC Circuit  Court should                                                               
hear the case  for a decision that the 2001  Roadless Rule is not                                                               
consistent with  ANILCA, the Tongass  Timber Reform Act,  and the                                                               
Administrative  Procedure  Act   in  the  National  Environmental                                                               
Policy Act (NEPA). DOL is waiting  to see how the court will rule                                                               
on either the  state's motion to have the case  go to argument or                                                               
the defendant's  and environmental group interveners'  motions to                                                               
dismiss the case.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:06:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HUNTER  GRAMLING said  the other  Roadless Rule  related case                                                               
that the  state currently has  is that  in October 2020  the U.S.                                                               
Department of  Agriculture (USDA)  exempted the  Tongass National                                                               
Forest  from the  2001  Roadless Rule.  The  state requested  the                                                               
rulemaking and  granted cooperating agency status.  The DOL, DNR,                                                               
and other state agencies worked  to combine the state's comments                                                                
the department spent a lot of time in that rulemaking process.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She  noted in  December  2020, environmental,  native, fish,  and                                                               
tourism advocacy  groups challenged  the rule.  That is  a recent                                                               
challenge  and the  federal  government's  answer was  imminently                                                               
due, but  yesterday the federal  government requested a  stay for                                                               
the case. She noted today, the  state filed a notice to intervene                                                               
and  requested  a  hold  on  the stay  until  the  state  has  an                                                               
opportunity  to intervene.  She  added she  just  found out  that                                                               
there is  another large group  that intends to also  intervene in                                                               
support of  the rule and  that makes up  some of the  same people                                                               
that are supporting the state in the DC Circuit Court.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:08:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL recalled  that the state was not  successful at the                                                               
district court  level in challenging  the Roadless Rule,  but won                                                               
the total  exemption through  the political  route. He  noted the                                                               
change in  the federal administration  and questioned  the wisdom                                                               
of trying to turn around the first lawsuit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUNTER GRAMLING  replied the  district court  decision is  a                                                               
case  currently in  the DC  Circuit Court  and that  is the  case                                                               
about the underlying rule. The  state completed its briefing long                                                               
before  the 2020  Tongass  exemption rule.  Even  though the  new                                                               
rulemaking  does  exempt  the Tongass,  the  2001  Roadless  Rule                                                               
restrictions on roadbuilding and  timber harvest still applies in                                                               
full force to  5.4 million acres of the  Chugach National Forest                                                                
98 percent  of the forest is  under the Roadless Rule.  The state                                                               
still has a continuing interest  in the litigation and is another                                                               
case where the state would  like a decision on Alaska's statutory                                                               
claims.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:10:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK asked if they are two separate things.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HUNTER  GRAMLING  answered   yes.  Currently  the  state  is                                                               
involved in two  cases and about to be involved  in another case.                                                               
The first case in the DC  Circuit Court is on the underlying 2001                                                               
Roadless  Rule. The  second casewhich   the state  will intervene                                                               
inis  a recent  challenge to the Roadless  Rule exemption granted                                                               
to the Tongass National Forest.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL commented  that his  general approach  is to  take                                                               
your wins and defend them, and cut your losses.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUNTER GRAMLING  addressed the King Cove Road  case and noted                                                               
the  state is  intervening in  support of  an agreement  that the                                                               
King Cove  Corporation has with  the U.S. Department  of Interior                                                               
(DOI)  to grant  them a  land exchange  so that  they can  have a                                                               
corridor across the  Izembek National Wildlife Refuge  to build a                                                               
permitted road with the required funding.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She noted the current case is  the third round for the state. The                                                               
district  court   found  DOI  did  not   adequately  explain  the                                                               
agreement  it entered  intounder   the [Administrative  Procedure                                                               
Act] (APA)and  that it violated ANILCA.  This is a case where the                                                               
state's briefing in the Ninth  Circuit focuses on the purposes of                                                               
ANILCA and  how the district  court decision did  not acknowledge                                                               
the balances  of interests  in the overall  purpose of  ANILCA to                                                               
include  opportunities  for  satisfaction and  health  of  Alaska                                                               
residents.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUNTER  GRAMLING detailed DOI's  reply brief was  due earlier                                                               
and they requested  a 30-day extension. The reply  briefs are due                                                               
on  March  8,  2021  for  the  state,  DOI,  and  the  King  Cove                                                               
Corporation. She said  the Ninth Court looks to want  to hear the                                                               
case for argument either in June or August 2021.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She noted  she will  skip over the  Chugach Land  Management Plan                                                               
and the Tongass Land Management Plan.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:14:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR VON  IMHOF commented  that the  military appears  to have                                                               
the ability to  supersede the Roadless Rule since there  is a new                                                               
military road in  the Stuckagain Heights and Basher  Road area in                                                               
the Chugach Mountains outside of Anchorage.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK asked her to address Senator von Imhof's point.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUNTER  GRAMLING replied  she is not  familiar with  the road                                                               
Senator von  Imhof referenced, but  there are  limited exceptions                                                               
to the  Roadless Rule; that road  may have fit into  one of those                                                               
exceptions or  there was some  other issue. However,  the state's                                                               
concerns, particularly with  a lack of roads in  the Chugach, has                                                               
also  diminished the  ability of  the  state to  respond to  fire                                                               
hazards and beetle issues in neighboring state forests.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:16:02 PM                                                                                                                    
RON  OPSAHL,   Assistant  Attorney  General,   Natural  Resources                                                               
Section, Department  of Law, Juneau,  Alaska, said he  will touch                                                               
more  on the  U.S.  Bureau of  Land  Management's (BLM)  resource                                                               
management   planning  about   the   Eastern  Interior   Resource                                                               
Management Plan (EIRMP).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said a good example for  other issues that he sees coming down                                                               
the road  include Kobuk-Seward, Bering Sea-Western  Interior, and                                                               
Central Yukon planning; these  cases typically involve challenges                                                               
to environmental analysis  conducted by BLM. The  state serves as                                                               
a  cooperating agency  and provides  input through  that process,                                                               
but once  it hits litigation  it becomes important for  the state                                                               
to intervene  to defend in  those cases  where the state  and the                                                               
federal government are aligned.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. OPSAHL  said the NEPA case  can be very difficult  to defend.                                                               
Statistics will show  resolution in more than 90  percent of NEPA                                                               
cases in  the favor of  the federal government. However,  that is                                                               
not the case regarding major plans  and issues that garners a lot                                                               
of public  interest. The  reason that these  cases often  fail is                                                               
not because  the government had  a flawed  environmental analysis                                                               
or  was  hiding the  ball,  the  reason  is usually  because  the                                                               
"procedural deck" is really stacking in favor of a plan.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He explained the [plan] cases,  he canas  a plaintiffallege  that                                                               
a NEPA  analysis failed to analyze  any given topic, but  it does                                                               
not take long before the defense  runs out of pages to respond to                                                               
everything  that a  plaintiff reports.  That is  when it  becomes                                                               
vital for  an intervener to step  in the right case  at the right                                                               
time.  Intervention can  make a  significant difference  in these                                                               
cases. Leaving the federal government  alone to defend may result                                                               
in  a remanded  case with  defensible  plans. When  the state  is                                                               
involved, the outcome can be more favorable.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. OPSAHL  said BLMas   a matter  of conveniencehas   decided to                                                               
use  its planning  process  to  evaluate the  slew  of 1970s  era                                                               
public land orders that it  issued under the Alaska Native Claims                                                               
Settlement   Act  (ANCSA).   Recently,   the  Kobuk-Seward   plan                                                               
recommended  revocation  of a  handful  of  [Public Land  Orders]                                                               
(PLO) covering  nine million  acres. The effect  is to  allow the                                                               
state's selections under the Alaska  Statehood Act to mature from                                                               
top filings into full selections.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. OPSAHL added the [Kobuk-Seward]  example may not be following                                                               
with Bering  Sea-Western Interior  or Central Yukon  [plans]. BLM                                                               
has not  decided on whether  it is  going to revoke  the outdated                                                               
PLOs.  If BLM  does  not,  the state  may  become  averse to  the                                                               
federal governmentas  far as the  PLO goesbut  that does not mean                                                               
the state should not intervene to  defend the rest of the plan if                                                               
the plan otherwise aligns with the state's interests.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:21:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK addressed withdrawals  for Kobuk-Seward and noted the                                                               
federal  government recently  did an  emergency Federal  Register                                                               
alterationvia   executive orderto   remove what  BLM had  already                                                               
decided to make available in  terms of the withdrawal revocation,                                                               
the lands available for selection.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  said  he has  several  concerns  with the  emergency  federal                                                               
Register alteration  to the  Kobuk-Seward, one  of which  is that                                                               
Native Vietnam veterans  have been waiting for over  60 years for                                                               
their allotments, and would have  been available for selection in                                                               
the Kobuk-Seward agreement.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. OPSAHL explained  the state's position is  the revocation was                                                               
effective when signed on January  19, 2021. The PLOs were revoked                                                               
for  those nine  million acres  and the  lands became  available.                                                               
What the second  half of that land order requires  that within 30                                                               
daysFebruary  18those   lands would then fallback  under standard                                                               
mining and leasing  laws. The Federal Register  noticed that last                                                               
week, which  effects that second part.  He said he does  not read                                                               
it  as   affecting  the  first   part  at  all  but   delays  the                                                               
reimplementation of  mining laws  and leasing  laws to  the lands                                                               
where the withdrawals were revoked.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He detailed  those lands  do not fallback  under the  mining laws                                                               
and the leasing  laws for 60 more days, but  the state's position                                                               
is the revocation  had effect immediately with  no further action                                                               
required and it  is not revokable. He said DNR  is moving forward                                                               
with  the standard  selection process  for  the highest  priority                                                               
lands to get conveyance to the state under its selections.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK  commented that the  only reason they would  delay it                                                               
is to find a way to stop it.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:24:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE joined the committee meeting.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OPSAHL said  DOL continues  to  monitor the  PLO for  Kobuk-                                                               
Seward and if  BLM does pull some shenanigans,  DOL is evaluating                                                               
that  to  see if  there  is  any  legal  recourse that  would  be                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. OPSAHL  said the next  cases that  he will discuss  relate to                                                               
the Arctic National  Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). The  first two cases                                                               
are the boundary  dispute and 1002 Lease Sale  Litigation. In the                                                               
ANWR  boundary dispute,  the case  involves an  interpretation of                                                               
the establishment  of ANWR and  whether the western  boundary was                                                               
intended to be  the Canning River or Staines  River; that created                                                               
20,000 acres  between those 2  rivers of disputed land,  with the                                                               
state wanting to assert its ownership  on those acres and the BLM                                                               
denied that.  The state  appealed to the  Interior Board  of Land                                                               
Appeals (IBLA). In November 2020,  IBLA upheld BLM's decision, so                                                               
the state is evaluating judicial  review options to take the case                                                               
to federal court.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OPSAHL explained  the ANWR  Boundary Dispute  dovetails into                                                               
the [ANWR Section 1002 Lease Sale].  The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of                                                               
2017 opened  up the ANWR  coastal plainSection  1002  areato  oil                                                               
and gas  leasing. To implement  the proposed BLM lease  sale, the                                                               
bureau identified available  acreages and put the  lease sale out                                                               
for comment.  The state commented  saying that Track  29the  area                                                               
that  contains the  disputed strip  of land  between Canning  and                                                               
Staines riversshould  not  be part of the lease  sale. BLM denied                                                               
the  state's  request  and  included Track  29.  The  lease  sale                                                               
occurred  on   January  6,  2021   and  the   [Alaska  Industrial                                                               
Development  and Export  Authority]  (AIDEA) won  the lease  that                                                               
includes the disputed ANWR acreage.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:27:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  asked where the state  is on the lease  sale, noting                                                               
there are executive orders related to those lease sales.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. OPSAHL replied that is the next case he would talk about.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He detailed there  are four related cases,  all challenging BLM's                                                               
leasing program  for the  ANWR coastal  plain. The  cases include                                                               
tribal group  plaintiffs, non-governmental  organizations (NGOs),                                                               
and  a coalition  of states  all alleging  various violations  of                                                               
federal  environmental  natural  resources laws  including  NEPA,                                                               
ESA, ANILCA,  and the Tax Cuts  Act. The state intervened  in all                                                               
four of those lawsuits to defend the leasing program.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. OPSAHL said the  case is now stayed for 60  days to allow the                                                               
incoming  administration   to  evaluate   whether  it   wants  to                                                               
continue. If the administration chooses  not to, that is going to                                                               
raise a  question of whether  the state can continue  without the                                                               
federal  government.  Arguing  one  way or  the  other  would  be                                                               
premature.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OPSAHL   said  he  would   not  be  surprised  if   the  new                                                               
administration  tries to  pullback the  leasing programat   least                                                               
temporarilyto   either redo  the environmental  analysis, bolster                                                               
some of  it, or to remove  some of the lands  that were nominated                                                               
and available for lease sale.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He said  the last example  of the state's recent  intervention is                                                               
the  Ambler  Road litigation.  The  state  has two  more  related                                                               
lawsuits  challenging  the  approval  of  the  Ambler  Industrial                                                               
Access Roadincludes   Tribal plaintiffs  and NGOsunder   the full                                                               
panoply of environmental  laws. Even though access  to the Ambler                                                               
District is  guaranteed under ANILCA, the  plaintiffs continue to                                                               
challenge access. The  state is intervening to  defend the access                                                               
road.  The  case has  not  been  stayed,  but  a stay  would  not                                                               
surprise him.  However, the  state is waiting  for a  briefing on                                                               
that matter.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:30:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked him  what happens  to the  aligned cases,                                                               
such as  the Izembek Road,  when an administration  changes where                                                               
the state and federal government are aligned.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OPSAHL  replied  that  situation   often  happens,  and  its                                                               
occurrence  raises  issues.  Sometimes   the  state  and  federal                                                               
government  are able  to continue,  sometimes  the intervener  is                                                               
able to  continue in  defense. A  lot of  times when  the federal                                                               
government withdraws  the challenged plan, there  is nothing left                                                               
to  defend, but  a  cross claim  becomes  important to  hopefully                                                               
allow the parties  to continue instead of being  aligned with the                                                               
government.  The state  is challenging  the federal  government's                                                               
action  to  withdraw that  plan,  but  there  really is  no  good                                                               
precedent that says 100 percent  of time that allows or disallows                                                               
a continuance. The decision is  fact dependent and often the luck                                                               
of a judge draw.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE commented that another  column is needed for the                                                               
likelihood of the case continuing with the Biden administration.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:32:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. ALLOWAY said she will talk  about a couple of Clean Water Act                                                               
cases  where the  state  is currently  aligned  with the  federal                                                               
government, but  that very well  may change going forward  in the                                                               
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLOWAY detailed  the first case is the  Trout Unlimited case                                                               
which is  about the Pebble Project.  In order to go  forward with                                                               
the Pebble Project,  the project would need a  Section 404 permit                                                               
under  the  Clean  Water  Act   and  that  involves  two  federal                                                               
agencies:  U.S. Army  Corps  of Engineers  (USACE)  and the  U.S.                                                               
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She explained  during the  end of  the Obama  administration, EPA                                                               
did something quite unusual in  that they used their authority to                                                               
issue a proposed decision under Section  404 to put a halt on the                                                               
permitting  process without  actually  having  received a  permit                                                               
application to review  and resulted in litigation  that the state                                                               
and other groups joined.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLOWAY detailed  in 2020, the EPA  revoked their [authority]                                                               
decision  by  actually getting  a  copy  of that  Pebble  Project                                                               
permit, worked with  USACE, and learned new  information to allow                                                               
the  process to  proceed in  the normal  course. Trout  Unlimited                                                               
challenged  the  EPA's  ability  to  pullback  on  that  proposed                                                               
determination, and the  state intervened on the side  of EPA. The                                                               
federal  government   prevailed  in  the  lower   court  on  some                                                               
procedural  issues,  and that  is  now  on  appeal to  the  Ninth                                                               
Circuit. The  case has been briefed  and the state is  awaiting a                                                               
decision from the court.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:35:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. ALLOWAY said  the other cases that relate to  the Clean Water                                                               
Act must deal with the waters  of the United States rule that she                                                               
is sure  all the  committee members are  aware with.  To exercise                                                               
its regulatory authority  under the Clean Water  Act, the federal                                                               
government must  decide if  said water is  of the  United States,                                                               
which results in how to define the water of the United States.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She noted  in 2015, the  Obama administration issued a  rule that                                                               
most  states  thought  was  quite broad  and  over  extended  the                                                               
government's authority under  the Clean Water Act.  That rule was                                                               
challenged  and that  is  one of  the  litigations the  committee                                                               
members see on the DOL chart.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLOWAY  explained  the  federal  governmentvia   the  Trump                                                               
administrationalso   pulled  back on  the  [water  of the  United                                                               
States] regulation  and issued a  new water of the  United States                                                               
regulation   and  environmental   groups  are   challenging  that                                                               
regulation. In that situation, the  state is both aligned and not                                                               
aligned with the federal government  and the state has intervened                                                               
in  both of  those casesas   well as  numerous statesto   protect                                                               
their interests  and their ability  to participate  in litigation                                                               
over how the  government is going to define  its external reaches                                                               
of regulatory authority under the Clean Water Act.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR VON  IMHOF commented  that the people  that the  state or                                                               
its entities sides with sometimes  seems convoluted or backwards.                                                               
She said by siding with the  EPA, sometimes your enemies are your                                                               
friends and vice versa.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:37:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. ALLOWAY  said she would  address cases regarding  the state's                                                               
ability to regulate hunting and fishing on federal land.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She  detailed   the  state  is   dealing  with  some   Obama  era                                                               
regulations  where the  Obama administration  promulgated various                                                               
rules towards  the end of  its administration that  limited state                                                               
authorized hunting  on federal  lands. There  is a  National Park                                                               
Service  regulation  that  limited state  authorized  hunting  on                                                               
National Preserves.  Also, there are  two U.S. Fish  and Wildlife                                                               
Service  (FWS) regulations,  one  that applied  statewide to  all                                                               
refuges and a second rule that applied only to the Kenai Refuge.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLOWAY   noted  that   at  the   beginning  of   the  Trump                                                               
administration, Congress used the  Congressional Review Act which                                                               
gives Congress  the abilities to  easily review  regulations that                                                               
are  promulgated by  federal agencies,  and  then decide  whether                                                               
they agree  with the policies  set by that agency.  Congress used                                                               
the  Congressional Review  Act to  invalidate the  FWS rule  that                                                               
applied throughout Alaska.  Congress said to all  refuges, "We do                                                               
not  like  that  policy  determination,   and  we  are  going  to                                                               
invalidate that rule."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She said  last year the  Trump administration pulled back  on the                                                               
National  Park Service  rule and  issued a  new regulation  which                                                               
resolves some  the state's concerns  regarding preserves  and how                                                               
the  federal  government  was limiting  the  state's  ability  to                                                               
manage hunting and fishing on  the preserves. The state still has                                                               
litigation  over that  rule because  it did  not satisfy  all the                                                               
state's concerns and that is  in the district court. The briefing                                                               
is  stayed  pending allowance  for  the  Biden administration  to                                                               
decide  which  way it  is  going  to go  on  the  rule, will  the                                                               
administration  make  additional  changes  as  requested  by  the                                                               
state, and does  the administration want to litigate  the rule as                                                               
it stands. The briefing will probably take place early in 2021.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:39:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  ALLOWAY  stated  the  second litigation  DOL  has  going  is                                                               
regarding  that   Kenai  specific  rule.  If   committee  members                                                               
remember, Congress said,  "Hey, we don't like  this regulation as                                                               
it applies  to all  the refuges  throughout the  state." However,                                                               
for some reason  the Fish and Wildlife Service has  said, "We are                                                               
going  to still  apply those  same  regulations but  only to  the                                                               
Kenai Refuge."  The state  is challenging  that regulation  as it                                                               
applies  to  the  Kenai  Refuge, and  the  district  court  ruled                                                               
against the state at the lower  court proceedings and that is now                                                               
on appeal  to the Ninth Circuit.  Briefing has not yet  begun and                                                               
that will probably take place in  the spring or early summer with                                                               
oral arguments possibly in fall 2021.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLOWAY said  the next  fish and  game case  deals with  the                                                               
Federal  Subsistence  Board.  In 2020,  the  Federal  Subsistence                                                               
Board issued an  order closing moose and caribou  hunting to non-                                                               
federally  qualified users,  so  state users  in game  management                                                               
units 13A  and 13B.  This was significant  for the  state because                                                               
these  areas  are quite  popular  for  hunting because  of  their                                                               
proximity to the Richardson Highway.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She noted the game management  unit closures are supposed to take                                                               
place for two  years, through 2022. The state filed  a lawsuit in                                                               
the  district   court  arguing  the  Federal   Subsistence  Board                                                               
overreached its authority to manage  this type of hunting and has                                                               
not  supported its  decision under  ANILCA or  the Administrative                                                               
Procedures  Act,   which  basically  says  the   government  must                                                               
adequately support  and say,  "These are the  reasons why  we are                                                               
taking this action."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLOWAY  detailed the state received  an unfavorable decision                                                               
on  a motion  for  preliminary injunction;  in  other words,  the                                                               
state  said, "Hey  federal court,  this is  really bad.  Will you                                                               
step  in right  away  before  we get  to  major  briefing on  the                                                               
merits?" The  federal court declined  to step in right  away, but                                                               
that case  is still proceeding.  The state has just  received the                                                               
administrative  record,   so  all   the  documents   the  federal                                                               
government looked at  for regulation promulgation is  going to be                                                               
reviewed. The briefing is going to  take place in the next couple                                                               
of months.  The state will get  a final decision on  whether that                                                               
regulation is within the Federal Subsistence Board's authority.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:42:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. ALLOWAY said  the last thing she wanted to  talk about is the                                                               
Salmon  Fishery   Management  Plan   (FMP).  She   explained  the                                                               
Magnuson-Stevens Act  (MSA) requires  federal councils  to create                                                               
management plans for fisheries  under their authority. Typically,                                                               
the state has management authority from  the coast to 3 miles out                                                               
and the  federal government  manages miles  3 to  200 out.  It is                                                               
known as the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLOWAY detailed that the  federal government amended the FMP                                                               
to  recognize  the  benefit of  state  management  in  particular                                                               
instances. It excluded  three pockets within the  EEZ including a                                                               
pocket adjacent to  Cook Inlet. The federal  government said, "We                                                               
recognize  the benefits  of  state management  and  we are  going                                                               
delegate our management authority within the EEZ to the states."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLOWAY  noted  the  United  Cook  Inlet  Drift  Association                                                               
(UCIDA) filed  litigation to  challenge the  federal government's                                                               
delegation. The  Ninth Circuit  agreed with  UCIDA to  the extent                                                               
that the federal  government had to create a plan  and say why it                                                               
was delegating management authority to the state.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She detailed  the district courtafter  the  higher court remanded                                                               
the case to  the lower courtimposed  deadlines on  the council to                                                               
issue  the plan.  The  plan was  issued late  in  2020 where  the                                                               
federal council  closed the EEZ  in Cook Inlet to  any commercial                                                               
salmon fishing. That plansent  up  to the Secretaryis  awaiting a                                                               
final decision and final rule promulgation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:45:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK asked Ms. Mills if she had anything to add.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLS agreed  with Senator Micciche that  cases could change;                                                               
DOL is getting requests for  stays so that the federal government                                                               
can reevaluate its case positions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK expressed appreciation  for DOL's time and testimony,                                                               
and agreed  with the statement  that these cases  are bipartisan;                                                               
they are Alaskan issues. Importantly,  DOL represents Alaska when                                                               
the state is at odds with what the federal government                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair  Revak adjourned  the Senate  Resources Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting at 4:48 p.m.                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SRES DOL-Federal Issues List Feb 2021.pdf SRES 2/24/2021 3:30:00 PM
DOL Federal Issues List Feb 2021